Could the same be true of the information we hold within our genes? DNA samples that can help solve robberies and murders could also, in theory, be used to track down our relatives, scan us for susceptibility to disease, or monitor our movements. Earlier this year Yaniv Erlich, who runs a lab at MIT's Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research, published a paper in the journal Science describing how he was able to identify individuals, and their families, from anonymous DNA data in a research project.
All it took was a computer algorithm, a genetic genealogy website and searches of publicly available Internet records. Erlich says DNA databases have enormous positive power, both for fighting crime and in scientific research. But, he said, "our work shows there are privacy limitations.
Few would disagree about the power of DNA to catch criminals — and to clear the innocent. Hundreds of wrongly convicted people around the world have been freed thanks to DNA tests.
A recent AP investigation found that at least 24 men in the United States convicted of or charged with murder or rape based on bite marks on the flesh of victims have been exonerated since , thanks to DNA evidence. Ethical qualms have done little to stop the growth of genetic databases around the world. Brazil and India have since announced plans to join the club, and the United Arab Emirates intends to build the world's first database of an entire national population.
It is set to grow following a May Supreme Court ruling that upheld the right of police forces to take DNA swabs without a warrant from people who are arrested, not just those who are convicted. Policies on DNA collection vary by state; more than half of the states and the federal government currently take DNA swabs after arrests. The court's justices were divided about implications for individuals' rights.
Why not? There are many things that could have happened. This often results in duplicate cards being drawn. While we may have notified the original draw site, the individual is now with you and they never got a chance to redraw. I have two different styles of Bloodstain Cards.
Which one should I use and are they supposed to have barcodes on them? Due to our new supply contracts we have two vendors we get our supplies from.
Each vendor has their own format for the cards so you may see two different bloodstain cards. Each card meets all required specifications. Why do the nylon pouches look and feel different? Each vendor has their own pouch manufacturer. Each pouch meets all required specifications. Can I use desiccants if they are pink or white? Desiccants should be stored in an airtight container at all times and must be blue in color to use.
If Desiccants are stored in open containers they can absorb the moisture in the air and turn pink or white rendering them useless. What do you think happens then?
Go ahead, trust the government without reservation! But, Washington, Jefferson, et al, understood why such trust is foolish. Once you sign in, it's like the roach motel - you don't sign out until you're dead.
They pretty much own you for the rest of your life. By extension, all br. The DoD's policy seems amazingly correct here. They allowed a suspect's DNA to be searched when there was already reasonable grounds to suspect a specific person. They did not allow a mass search of their database for anyone who might match. Use of DNA to prove innocence is always valid. Use to increase the probability of guild after you have evidence on a specific suspect is equally as valid.
The issue of concern remains pre. First of all, the testing is done by humans and very prone to errors. Also very prone to getting the results they want to get. There have been some noteable cases where it was found that the "odds" of a DNA match of what was tested were vastly overstated by an "expert witness" in court.
Second, while fingerprints are unique and yet have still been found to be improperly matched by some FBI testers , DNA is not always unique. Want your life ruined by th. Were those who enlisted prior to this given the option to opt-out? Would they hae been courtmartialled if they refused to cooperate with this additional sacrifice of privacy that was not in effect at the time of enlistment? Anthrax vaccination comes to mind - not as a further sacrifice of privacy beyoond that which was agreed to, though.
Your use of the ad-hominem "conspiracy theorists" and the implication that anyone who objects must "be a. No problem. I'm sure that medical-admin enlisted types who were disciplined for mishandling "Confidential" military medical records eagerly await having their Letters-of-Reprimand or more vacated. That the military does enforce such regulations rig. There may be more comments in this discussion.
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In the event your buddy gets blown to bits in front of you, forget the dog tags and grab his toe. Share twitter facebook. Shocking abuse of rights? Score: 5 , Insightful. I get the impression that people will be entirely up in arms about this. I am all for protecting personal rights but, it is really hard to condemn a case like this, where a man has been brought to justice as a result.
Of course, there is always the issue of information in this case DNA being misabused: for many people this is why this is worrying. I'm sure it might be possible to implicate someone based on the data, but it would surely be very hard?
However, overall I am for these technologies. They enforce a justice system and have little negative effect that I am aware of -- if anybody can provide examples, I would be very interested to hear, and possibly change my argument. What does look worrying is the suggestion that the Military should destroy the data once the serviceperson has been discharged. If it is not being done assuming, of course, the serviceperson were told it would be this is simply wrong.
Sorry for a rather convoluted argument. Re:Shocking abuse of rights? Score: 4 , Insightful. I dont think it's a question of a man being braught to justice as a result of the DNA sample it's about collecting databases of these things. Fingerprints take time to gather and proccess I'm not persoanly a big fan of them in there current form people that are arrested and fingerprinted and go into the system. They have not nessicarily commited a crime just been accused of one.
Even if they are release with a sorry it was a mistake sorry to inconvience you they now have a record in the system. If at a later date they happen to commit a crime or have just been a random person at a crime scene they will get pulled in and questioned as a suspect. Thorw this into a system were people confess to things just to stop the harrassment of poliece officers during questioning. And it become the frighning reality that we have now it dossent affect surburbia much so it's allowed.
Now comes DNA if it becomes easy to process and there are large databases avalible just begging for a court order to get at them say from every paternity test to genetic screening sfor illness that may start becomming more commonplace to simple collecting it from a trash bag on the curb. From this you can extrapalate a different society that crime may be down but if your DNA happens to be found your automaticaly suspect and DNA is not something you can avoid leaving around in public like fingerprints.
Parent Share twitter facebook. Score: 3 , Informative. Now comes DNA if it becomes easy to process and there are large databases avalible I think there is a vast misunderstaning of how difficult it is to process DNA evidince especially compared to fingerprints and what these so-called "databases" are. Starting with the database. Its a collection of blood samples two drops of blood on a card. Just to process one sample to where it could be compared with another takes several days in a lab.
Also, in order for these tests to have the necessary level of validi. Wait, what country was this in again? Oh, never mind. Score: 2 , Interesting. In which case how is this an abuse of his rights to privacy? I don't think the grand-parent poster was suggesting its a good idea to randomly poke people and steal a sample of their dna.
But if you willingly give it out [e. We've been collecting fingerprints for eons now and you still cannot. I see no difference between this and your fingerprint. It's your personal identity based on your unique physiological characteristics. My friend has been out of the navy for over a year and they still have the right to recall his ass. Re:how is this different from a finger print.
Its difficult for me to plant your fingerprint. I would have to somehow convince you to touch either a soft moulding material, or collect a fingerprint which I could then somehow etch into a moulding material. There was a CSI episode about this Its trivial for me to plant your DNA. I could just go anywhere you've been and pick up saliva from dinnerware or cigarette butts, or if you have readily visible hair, lost strands of hair. Granted, this wouldn't be much material, but I could gather more in a casual meeting.
I could be walking down the street with an armload of wood or something and just accidentially bump into you and manage to draw blood. Sure, you would quickly remember that I cut you, but it wouldn't help you before the cops came to arrest you. In the end, I feel that can trust DNA when its being used as a "final nail in the coffin" type of evidence in a case.
When its the only evidence though, thats when I start to wonder. Ends Justify Means Score: 3 , Interesting.
Score: 3 , Insightful. While I agree that DNA databases are ripe for abuse, this example does not seem particularly abusive. From the article, it sounds like they had probably cause to suspect this individual in this crime, and the DNA match only confirmed their suspicions.
That's very different fr. Score: 5 , Funny. For you fucking ex-jugheads out there. DoD Directive Complete military service is. Re:misabused Score: 3 , Funny. You haven't been here very long then, have you? Score: 2. Unfortunately law enforcement agencies are under increasing pressure to close cases , rather than prevent future crimes and enforce justice by bringing criminals to court. This is why we have seen massive abuse of illegal wiretaps, to the point that there were likely as many illegal wiretaps in the USA as legal ones in some years.
Have you not seen the abuse and tampering of evidence to help "prove" cases whe. Score: 2 , Funny. I am not certain how many actual cases of DNS evidence tampering have been found, but I suspect it happens.
I dunno, I think its important we abuse things properly. My ex-girlfriend was an expert at that. Score: 3 , Funny.
No, no, no. It is a correct term. The information was supposed to be abused, but they ended up abusing it in the wrong way, hence, "misabused. No, you're not a reservist for the rest of your life. You can be recalled up to 7 years from your separation date. That's it. That's also clearly explained before you enlist or accept a commission. There should be no less of a right to privacy for members of the armed forces that there is for an ordinary citizen.
You are correct in that everyone in the armed services goes through basics and learns how to shoot a weapon and receives hand-to-hand training. However, depending on where you live and who your f. Tell me again why OJ isn't in jail? Oh yeah, the DNA evidence may have been planted. Just wanted to point out that it ins't going to be as easy as you implied. Just FYI, these so-called databases are simply two drops of dried blood on a card. Additional Resources AKC. Clubs Offering: Training Classes.
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